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In the past 30 years I've taught, instructed and coached tens of thousands of drivers on race tracks around the world, from first-timers in car club DE days to Indy and NASCAR drivers. Having worked with that many drivers, I've seen a number of trends. But I'd like to ask the drivers here - you - this one BIG question: What is the one single technique or skill, whether physical or mental, that you struggule with the most in your track driving? As you post your answers, please also tell me whether you're a novice, intermediate or advanced level driver, and whether you race or not. After I see some of your answers, I'll share some of the secret trends I've seen through the years. |
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My "demon" (so to speak) has always been FOCUS. Keeping the mind in realtime - without letting nonrelevent thoughts distract from the task at hand while still remaining fully aware of inputs and staying relaxed.
I am an advanced amateur who races successfully in regional series with a couple of semi-pro events (with mediocre results) under my belt. |
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As an instructor, and whichever the level of my student, I always make clear to him/her what my expectations are.
Smoothness, precision, awareness of environment (track condition, other cars, flaggers).
It may sound pretty basic, but it trully helps the driver unload a lot of personal stress and self-inflicted pressure, and help him/her concentrate on the good stuff.
"Expectations" is a boundary which determines how and where to play. Expectations are "required" by kids with their parents, as well as workers with their employer. It is the common language that ensures both parties go in the same direction. |
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My challenge lately has been maintaining conservative judgment in the heat of battle. I feel I am driving within my abilities, but sometimes I am a bit too optimistic. I need to be more practical about decisions.
For example trying to overtake a pack of slower cars entering the bus stop at the Glen. Yes I got away with it but was it really a good idea? It did make for some exciting video...
I've been driving on the track for 10 years, often 50 days/year. I am an Instructor and Club Racer. |
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1) Actually doing what I know I should do when something goes wrong. 2) Eyes up. I always have a few corners where I have a really hard time not looking at the end of the braking zone instead of the apex with really really late apexes the normal result. 3) That focus thing. Everything is going great and then I forget to do something and oops, something goes wrong. I basically deal with this by driving more inside my abilities, make it all happen slowly, etc. Supposedly this is the way to go fast, but while I'm speeding up, I'm not speeding up fast. I have a little over 100 track days. I'm a rookie racer with bmwcca, kinda sorta getting the hang of it. I've done a little instructing. |
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First off ... thank you Ross for making such a generous offer.
Last year was my first full year of racing with BMWCCA Club Racing. I am 48 years old, started DEs in 2004 and was hooked. Most fun I have ever had in my life.
I would have to say that my biggest struggle is finding the car's (and my) limit and staying there as long as I can. I seem to be very good at being smooth and consistent ... but because I am not pushing the limits I am not as fast or as competitive as I want to be. Advice on how to regularly find and stay "on the limit" would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again.
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For me its sensing the level of grip as the car is being rotated in a corner (i.e. turn-in to track-out) so that control corrections (brake/steering/throttle) can be smoothly applied BEFORE the friction circle gets exceeded ! Not sure if this is a physical, mental skill or a combination of both. It certainly is key to being smoother/quicker in different driving conditions, especially in the wet.
Currently an A-level DE student driving about 10 days a year for the past 3 years. |
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Well, I struggle with most everything, but I think the thing I am focusing on this season is being less chicken. For example, my right foot seems to lift of its own accord at the bottom of the Ss at the Glen.
Ross, I recently got "The Perfect Driver," and it promises to be helpful. Most of it is really relevant to me (certainly not because I'm perfect), but I can't wait for the season to begin to apply some of the stuff in the "Bravery" chapter.
So, if I find some courage, do you have follow-up chapters on heart and brains somewhere down the yellow brick road? |
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My biggest problem is keeping my brain out of the way when things aren't status quo; the less I think or care about how fast I am going, the better and faster I drive, but when the conditions change (ie: when I'm chasing a rabbit or someone is chasing me), I start to think and I hate that because, well, I'm really not very smart, and I start making mistakes when I try to use that grey matter.
The less I care about how I'm doing or where the other guy is, the better. I've taken your seminar twice, and I innately seem to be able to go to my happy place in a relatively short order when something out of the ordinary occurs, like finding a surprise greasy spot in a corner, or having to send a postcard to that last apex because I missed it by so far, but there are times when I worry (ie: start to think) about the guy(s) on my quarterpanel, and that distracts me from what I know I should be doing, leaving a bigger window for making mistakes. I'd like some guidance on how to stay in my happy place even when in those situations, as I am hoping to have the car ready to take part in some regional races this summer.
I have been doing the DE schools since April, 2001, and have been instructing since 2006, but this summer will be my first time racing (okay, I mean in an actual race, before Bill or Nick or someone makes a comment on how I drive in the DE schools... ;-)
Thanks Ross! |
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The technique on feeling, finding, and driving in the peak tire slip angle consistently. I have over 110 days on track, mainly open track days and driving schools.
Ross, I value your books and have learned more from them than any of the pro schools I have attended. You have clarified what others couldn't. Thank You. |
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The biggest single challenge I face when being on track is probably pushing that threshold of being out of my comfort zone and I only participate in DE. I'm trying so hard to increase my sensory input levels that I forget that I'm also trying to go a little deeper before turn in, a couple of mph's faster an apex, brake a little lighter...so it screws me up and I start making stupid errors, for example I will be so focused on trying to brake a little lighter for T1 at Summit Point, it messes up my entry speed so now my apex is 2-3 feet wide because I didn't brake lightly enough and my entry speed was in the 54-55mph where me stretching to hold on is 48-50mph. Little things like that, that whole process of putting things together so that they all work sequentially. The Speed Secrets series have been a huge help for me especially #1, #2, and #6 (mostly because it focuses on the drivers mindset). So I thank you for putting this together, I know for myself, it will be used for exactly what it was intended, making us better drivers. Thanks again!
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Ross first off your books are great and i reread them over and over. My biggest chellenge is that i turn in to quick and also think that letting off the gas during a turn is sometimes better than squeezing the throttle more. You have to forgive me i am a drag racer (ex) race karts for a little while and now doing DE;s for a year and then will make the plunge into road racing. |
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Well, it's good to know that everyone here is human! Everything posted here so far are the things that I see and hear about all the time - focus, sensing the limit, consistency, etc. Actually, one thing that was hinted at here, but is actually a very common challenge is fear. I bet it's more common than we know, because many drivers won't admit to it. I think it was A.J. Foyt who said something along the lines of, "If a driver says he's never been scared in a race car, he's either stupid or a liar." And that coming from A.J. I think there's a fine line between fear and self-preservation. If you didn't have self-preservation, you'd crash and burn at every single corner, so it's a good thing. Fear, on the other hand, is not such a great thing because it can lead to "freezing up" - but then you know that. In a way, the fear, self-preservation, and the focus challenges lead me to one thing: You cannot not think about something. It's the old, "Don't think about a pink elephant" thing. The second you read that sentence, the image of a pink elephant pops into your head, right? Same with fear and it's neighbor, self-preservation - you cannot not think about what could go wrong if you crashed, so that's what you think about. And focus is tied into this because we sometimes think about something other than what we should be thinking about, and then we tell ourselves to not think about it, but we can't. Many drivers I work with face these same challenges, whether they're novice club racers, track day drivers, or professionals. And the one "tool" that works best is having what I call a "Pre-planned Thought." The idea is that when you're on the track and the thought of crashing, or anything else pops into your mind (taking your focus away), you don't have time to tell yourself, "Don't think about that. Think about..." But if you already have a Pre-planned Thought sitting there in the corner of your mind, ready to go and be used the second you need it, then that replaces the crash thought, or the distracted thought immediately. Again, you cannot not think about something. Telling yourself to not think about something is about as effective as telling yourself to be happy when you're not. No, the only way you can replace an unwanted thought is with another, more powerful thought. I have the drivers I work with write down their Pre-planned Thought (PPT), and practice using it in every day life. For example, you might use "Look Ahead" as your PPT. Every time you begin to think about something you don't want to think about, you immediately say to yourself, "Look ahead" (and do that). And the more you do that, the more quickly and easily you will be able to trigger your wanted PPT to replace the unwanted thought. And fear, to some extent, is just an unwanted thought. Sure, if you're in it - if you're in the fear state of mind - for some length of time, it triggers all sorts of physical and mental functions. But in much of performance and race driving, the fear simply flashes by. It comes and goes as you face various sections of track. And if you can quickly replace that fear thought with your PPT, you may just find that fear goes away. Or, at least it moves to the self-preservation mode, which is perfectly fine. If focus is your challenge - keeping it, that is - then having a PPT is likely to be the most effective tool to help you. One more thing. I find that many drivers think they have a "problem" with fear, or staying focused. It would only be a problem if you never had those issues. That's what I meant about being human. Every single driver that has ever driven on a track has those issues. You're not alone. Well, there I go again... rambling along with a long post. I'd be interested to know if any of you can relate to what I've just written - have you been there, done that?
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I've been there, done that, but not with driving... |
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Having experienced a 'teachable moment' last year (AFTER attending one of Ross' Speed Secrets courses)...... ....in the wet....on cold tires.....when I consciously said to myself: " Nigel go really slowly till you know what you what level of grip you've got".......and I was feeling good and thought everything was under control......and got on the gas AFTER the apex "a little to early, a teensy bit too much' ......and THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN found myself going sideways and off the track , skidding to a halt. I didn't see it, feel it, thinki it was coming AT ALL and by the time it had come it was way too LATE. So now I'm THINKING I've got a concrete butt and need to get me one of those dang PPT's for my first track event since my little excursion. Just need help figuring out what the heck it should be.....
Nigel |
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FWIW: I just purchased and read speed secrets. I have a bunch of driving books, but this might be the best. I really liked the "oops, now what" information. Some of it I'd figured out, but I can't believe no one taught me in a classroom. The "if you aren't finished braking in time, turn in a little and brake some more" tactic is sooo important, but no one teaches it. Another one I have see is "if there is suddenly something horrible in front of you mid-corner, you can straighten the wheel and brake: is something I haven't seen anywhere. I was in an instructor car going way fast , totally committed to turn 2 at mosport where we all know that if we lift we die, and suddenly there was an idiot in a smart car in front of us, from our point of view he was practically stopped. He was going so slowly we'd never seen him in front of us. My driver straightened the wheel, braked very hard, and turned in a again. There was drama in my mind but the car was never upset, and this was a twitchy z3 coupe with 800# springs in back. I used this technique in 123 at LCMT when someone spun in front of me. No drama, no fuss .Why doesn't anyone teach this in DE classrooms? I haven't seen it in a book either. |
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Surprisingly, your example of "look ahead" is the exact thought I use as my PPT. Whenever I get in trouble in mid-corner, I think "look ahead" and look ahead, and usually it saves me. Keeping my eyes ahead is one of the habits I'm trying to engrain, so it is a good PPT for me to use. |
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Here is the one skill I really struggle with. When the car gets more sideways than I want it to be, I consistently look into the slide rather than where I want to go. I didn't even know I was doing this until my coach pointed this out in a video. I know not to do this. I don't want to do this. I'm still thinking about what I'm doing when the car is rotating more than I like, and yet when it happens at speed, I'm looking at whatever the rear end is trying to hit. I just need to practice those 4th gear full throttle spins until I get it right. |
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